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andysif
I know what edge sorting is, and I am sure you can see the difference on the back of the card when you are sitting at your own table holding the card in your hand.
But in real life, that card must be 4 or 5 feet from you. Dealer slide the card from the shoe and turn it over. The back is expose for maybe at most 1 to 2 seconds. And you have to act like you are not looking. Under these conditions, how on earth is edge sorting even possible?
MathExtremist
It's all described here:https://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/new-jersey/njdce/1:2014cv02283/302463/107/0.pdf?ts=1477131948
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MrV
Thanks for the link.
I can now better understand the decision, which seems to hinge on the court's definition of 'marked cards.' The court's interpretation of the term, while certainly subject to attack, seems logical enough and reeks of common sense (a rare commodity in a courtroom).
Hunterhill
Gossip slots no deposit bonus. Thanks for the link. I can now better understand the decision, which seems to hinge on the court's definition of 'marked cards.' The court's interpretation of the term, while certainly subject to attack, seems logical enough and reeks of common sense (a rare commodity in a courtroom). I think you meant to write reeks of NONSENSE not common sense.
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MrV
I understand that many people disagree with the court's interpretation; my point is that it seems to be defensible: I've no dog in this fight.
Yes, Ivey et al did not touch the cards, but his instructions to the dealer led to him having a quantifiable advantage, which the court felt was wrong. Whether the advantage results from daubing or edge sorting seems irrelevant: the focus instead is on whether the player's actions are designed to result in him having an advantage. This case could, and arguably should, go up on appeal (another bite of the apple).
boymimbo
It's an interesting decision. Ivey and Sun's defense of course is that the cards are not physically marked and therefore they weren't breaking rules. The court felt that the way the cards were being manipulated (by the dealer) constituting marking and therefore in violation of New Jersey's gambling laws but not the laws of Baccarat. They lost for breach of contract, but their charges of fraud and conspiracy were dismissed.
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Yes, Ivey et al did not touch the cards, but his instructions to the dealer led to him having a quantifiable advantage, which the court felt was wrong. Mega casino signup bonus code. However, the player doing things to have a quantifiable edge is legal, as demonstrated with counting cards. What the judge ruled is that Ivey caused the cards to be marked. To assess this ruling we need to define what constitutes a marked card. To me a card is marked, if after randomizing a deck properly you can determine the card by looking at the back of the it. With edge sorting this is not the case, as randomizing a deck should always involve a turn. In the Ivey case, what happened is that the player asked the house to modify their card handling procedures, that then interacted with a flaw in the shuffle. After this it was just a matter of tracking the groups of cards through the shuffle and betting accordingly.
Ibeatyouraces
Also, by counting cards, I'm effectively marking the remaining cards.
RS
Using the court's definition of a marked card or marked deck, the cards are inherently marked. Ivey & co did not mark the cards, but simply changed the groupings. IE: They are already sorted (non-optimally) from the start..he just changed the sort.
prozema
Seems like the casino should shuffle better.
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NokTang
Had a final flurry in Nagaworld Sunday, yesterday. The roulette wheel was red hot, then black hot, then low numbers hot. Hot means like six or eight in a row. I wasn't a chicken shit this time and attracted the shift manager.
To make a long story short, I got the scoop on how these outfits make so much money. While Cambodia is a big time venue, as you all know, Macau is the big money. They work junkets (in NagaWorld) on what is labeled 'joint ventures'. There are five private games for these joint ventures. The table limits can be adjusted but start at $300,000.usd. Max with a $10,000.usd min. All baccarat, all upstairs. I'm sure Macau sets it up like this as well. I only met the shift manager because there was a mistake made at the table and I was pressed up to $500.usd per spin. And the think I thought I was a decent player with over four hours of play averaging apx. $200.usd a spin. I wasn't shit to them in the big picture.
Lucky33
They must have really changed at Nagaworld, when I was there it was such a small, rinkydink casino I doubt they even had any $3,000 US tables.
NokTang
They must have really changed at Nagaworld, when I was there it was such a small, rinkydink casino I doubt they even had any $3,000 US tables.
I think you refer to the days when it was a docked barge with a casino onboard. If you will look back in this discussion you will get the link to the financial statement and learn as well it is a listed stock in Hong Kong. This one property made over 300million dollars last year. This 'joint venture' information was told to me without any confidence or requests to keep it quiet. However, I have read that such activities have gotten the attention of gaming authorities in the U.S.A. and companies such as Sands Las Vegas and Wynn and MGM(whatever the parent company is) have had to curb back on the 'junket' aspects of their properties in Macau. The reason should be obvious, but for those in the balcony looking in, it involves laundering money and worse, extortion and loan sharking etc. The types involved in the 'junket' are what you might expect back in the times of, well..you get the idea.
Lucky33
Maybe they have changed but I still think that a gambler would be much better off in Macau. Back when I visited Nagaworld they had one craps table. I went up to bet, tossed 10 $100 US on the table and noticed that the shooter was about to throw the dice. Back in those days I was a regular visitor at the Vegas and Louisiana casinos and I was used to the honest ways that they did business. Anyway to make a long story short, I tossed the 1,000 US on the table, noticed that the shooter was about to toss the dice and said to the stickman, '$50 come bet' so I would have something on the roll. He waited until after the shooter tossed the dice, which won, and said 'Sorry sir but you called it too late'. I picked my money off the table and never went back. Macau or Vegas, even Louisiana casinos you wouldn't have to worry about that, I think that I will stick with them and forget the chickenshit practices of the Cambodia casinos.
Hunterhill
When I have been there they did not accept U.S. currency at the tables. You had to go to the cage and convert it. When was this?
NokTang
When I have been there they did not accept U.S. currency at the tables. You had to go to the cage and convert it. When was this?
It is still like this. No cash accepted at the tables. They play in U.S.Dollars only. There is an exchange booth affiliated with a local Cambodian Bank as well for Western Union and credit card advances.
NokTang
Macau or Vegas, even Louisiana casinos you wouldn't have to worry about that, I think that I will stick with them and forget the chickenshit practices of the Cambodia casinos.
I'm not sure call bets are accepted in the U.S.A. these days. Too many disputes and of course, accents and other languages spoken. I've never seen craps in Cambodia.
Lucky33
I'm not sure call bets are accepted in the U.S.A. these days. Too many disputes and of course, accents and other languages spoken. I've never seen craps in Cambodia.
In those days they had a lone craps table and it was faIrly busy although the casino itself was a small, chickenshit operation. If they don't have craps now there would be no reason for me to go there since craps is my favorite game. I play a little blackjack when I get tired of standing and need a break but the rest of the time I'm on the craps table. I guess for gambling in Asia Macau is still the best bet.
NokTang
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I've brought up the issue of stools at craps tables and gotten very positive replies. Some casino's in Las Vegas even have them under the table for patrons. Others will get you one. You don't have to be disabled or lie about it(which I'd never do myself) either. It's part of customer service. I don't know about Macau but one old photo shows a craps table with full chairs surrounding it. Swim Up Blackjack VegasAs I reflect on my week long visit to Phnom Penh and many to Nagaworld, I regret once again not jumping on the streaks I outlined..red/black/odd/even/high/low....hindsight is so beautiful in the world of a gambler but I remain convinced those roulette wheels there at Nanaworld had a lot of streaks. You could get rich quick if you had the nerve to lay it on the line(place it in the box in this case).
NokTang
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Back in Nagaworld this past week, April 1015.
Once again stayed off property. It's still very busy, going strong, one assumes making a lot of money. One interesting thing, they are building a '30 story' hotel addition next door, but having problems with the foundation. The manager(one of many) told me the land was 'reclaimed' which I think means wetlands reclaimed and built on and the first attempt at the pilings was a failure so had do it again. Real money in these things. I ate more at the $25.usd buffet this year(on a comp), and it is certainly better than the casion level buffet. However, the beef wasn't good. I keep being told they have Austrailian and American beef some place, I guess a menu item in one of the upscale restaurants. Everyone is friendly, leeches still around, had six, count em, six middle aged women(I'm male)...at my roulettle table while I was winning. The day before, a young man was seated, not playing, and telling me what to bet. I asked them to remove him, and he apoligized profusely for the intrusion. They all(the women) asked for a 'tip for me' when I colored up. Strange this is allowed, but it's Cambodia. I did tip the dealers $25.usd and the tip box was empty. The sportsbook is up and running. I didn't see any horse racing or dog racing, but all forms of football and soccer and MLB etc. Baseball was easy pickings for me. I just looked on ESPN for home teams with high paid pitchers playing teams with pitchers only earning $500,000.usd. It seemed like it worked, I was three for three on my baseball wagers. I just figured as the season just opened, everyone fresh, home teams want to win for the fans. Go for it, and it paid off. I was encouraged to bet on Manchester United twice. The first time, I got shut out as late to the window(game vs Manchester City). So the following week, Man U is 3.5 dog at Chelsa so I bet them big, both the win and 'win or draw'. Got creamed. That's it for soccer wagering for me. There are now two Texas Hold-Em tables at the Sportsbook. They seem to stay full at night. Some real action, most players had at least $1000.usd in front of them and I saw several 'all in' of over $1000.usd. Black Jack is still only continous shuffle. Baccarat remains the big game and big money. I was told there are nine suites with three tables in each, staffed 24 hours while the suite is occupied. They look for and get an $8000.usd per wager average at those suites, or at least that's what type of player stays in them. Food from around the world arranged, everything 'up to the player'. Comments are closed.
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